FrameWork Laptop 12
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Hello to all.
I really like the frame.work as a concept for laptops.
Yesterday I tried to use a live Trisquel image on the laptop 12.
https://frame.work/nl/en/laptop12
Debian 12 and 13 work, but when I first tried Trisquel, I arrive at the screen where it ask to try Trisquel live without installing it, but when I select that option, the screen goes blank, seems it is off, I waited even 10 minutes but nothing happens.
I did not tried the install option, should I try that too?
I am not going to have this laptop for a long time, I am just curios to see if it possible to load Trisquel on it in same way.
Have a great day!
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If you tried the Trisquel 11 iso, there is a big chance that the included kernel does not have support for Intel 13th generation CPUs, which I read is what your latop has. Trisquel 11 has a "hardware enablement package" that may support that CPU, but I don't think you can use it for a live system.
In that case, try the Trisquel 12 (beta) iso instead. There is a .sha256 file for it in the same directory, but no signature yet.
If he has AMD Ryzen, his only problem will be the wifi card is non-libre
However judging by what he wrote, it seems to be the latter.
The Framework 12 seems to come with a 13th. Gen. Intel Core, which includes an exchangeable WiFi card that can be replaced with a FSF-RYF compliant one.
Also, judging by the hardware specs of Framework 12, it may work perfectly with Trisquel 12 Ecne, with the little detail that requires a WiFi card change in order to make it 100% functional with any FSF-endorsed distro.
And to add an interesting detail: the recent AMD Ryzen APU's doesn't have a proper performance with AMDGPU driver without their respective RadeonSI propietary firmware suit, so if you want to avoid to have issues with the integrated GPU of AMD, the only one reply is nothing less than Intel due to the transparency of support in their iGPU's.
Well, I was speaking of without their proprietary blob. I don't know if intel gen 13 processors can work without blobs though.
Although, supposedly thinkpenguin sells stuff that even has intel gen 14... so I would think it should be possible to run it via trisquel in other non thinkpenguin laptops too.
Forgot to mention, I have an AMD Ryzen 5 version of framework's 13 inch version and I replaced the wifi card with an ath9k one.
So it is entirely possible to do so I think on the 12 inch.
I should note though, it would have to be a M.2 2230 version of it. IE, it would require a harder to find ath9k wifi card.
It has a 13th. Gen. Intel Core. I did tried Trisquel 12, but there is the same problem, the screen just stay blank and nothing happens when I click to install it.
I just found this notice of a security issue for Framework computers at bleepingcomputers.com:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/secure-boot-bypass-risk-on-nearly-200-000-linux-framework-sytems/
Looks like the issue affects Framework 13 and later.
That is interesting...
If only it was a boot guard vulnerability instead...
Pity...
that is a Laptop 12, but it is the latest model they made, so it might enter in that list. I'll ask them out, of curiosity, if it is compromised.
Framework is a big nothingburger, specially since it took less than two years for them to fail at being faithful with the only thing they claim to take seriously after releasing a desktop machine that has soldered CPU and RAM.
They actively promote proprietary software and take zero effort into making computers that are freedom respecting, like 99% of brands out there. Their only shtick is a bunch of labels with QRs that point to some server that has schematics and manuals and a bunch of USB-C modules to allow customizing I/O, which is something you didn't need to care two decades ago when laptops had everything you needed I/O wise.
I agree with you Sally, especially after I had the possibility to try one. Looks better on the website.
It is not ethical, it is actually a scam, to use terms of other philosophies just to cash in. Comes into my mind the fraud of smaARtDUINO.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fairduino/smartduino-open-system-by-former-arduinos-manufact
So sad.
I just noticed what you wrote, I didn't pay attention before.
But anyways, I don't think their priorities are the same as yours. I don't remember them striving to develop fully free hardware. They never really said that to my knowledge. The only thing that is a questionable thing based on their current standards is the bootguard being enabled on intel devices.
Beyond that, its pretty much what I expected from them.
But yeah not a scam from their point of view. I don't think that was their intention at all.
Although I agree it is still below what it should be even then.
Their priorities are to print money and their obstacle is convincing people so they spend money on them, regardless if they're truthful about the product or not.
We might have a different definition of scam or fraud but I think claiming your brand cares about right to repair and then one year later releasing a machine that can't be properly repaired is ridiculous at best and fraudulent at worst, but to each their own.
The biggest problem to me is they ship intel devices with bootguard enabled. That is beyond awful because the bios cannot be changed then.